… The strong sense I had in Kurdistan was that I was photographing very consciously in the present, thinking about how the past would be seen in the future.
… We’re dealing with a history that no single Kurd has ever lived. We want as much as we can to allow all of those Kurds in competing histories to be represented and to be revealed by representation. Do the Kurds connect to a sense of the history that we’ve been uncovering? The reality is that they must still be digging for their own, much more immediate history — which is tragic.
That and the following are from Aperture 133 (Fall 1993), “interviews with Susan Meiselas at her New York studio, March 16 and 27, 1993″ by Melissa Harris. Please note the date: 1993, well before the current war in Iraq:
I’m in the middle of this book project about the Kurds. In addition to my own photographs, my studio is filled with stacks of images made by men and women I’ve never met, most of whom died before I was born. Many of these people were strangers — tourists or travelers in Kurdistan, like me, only glimpsing and perhaps not even understanding the history that I — with collaborators around the world — attempted to document.
… that book [Meiselas's preceding book which was on/of Chile] seems now very much part of the contemporary debate within photography over who has the right to depict his or her condition or the condition of some “other.”
The Kurdish situation has again raised the issue, though differently, for I have found by visiting homes, as well as by going to archives, that without the eye of the “other” — the traveler, the Westerner — there would be few images of the past, and it is indeed those photographs that provide people with a sense of who they have been, in order perhaps to make sense of who they are and who they will be. This experience has reaffirmed for me the value and importance of documentary photography, and at the same time it has made me even more aware of how complex the act of reading meanings from photographs can be.
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The strong sense I had in Kurdistan was that I was photographing very consciously in the present, thinking about how the past would be seen in the future.
This is not going to be the “objective” history of Kurdistan. Ultimately, it is a selection of what has been photographed, and maybe it can, at best, point out what hasn’t been photographed. This book assumes that one set of protagonists are the image makers. Then there are the protagonists of history, the “players,” the importance of whom I often discovered through seeing their photograph over and over. I had to ask, “Why is this man imaged over and over again?” Obviously, he was important at a particular time. But the interpretation of his role in the larger struggle, or even at that particular time, can vary considerably among the Kurds — whether they think he is significant to the shaping of history or not. I don’t have the right to decide this. Our project can only be based on what we’ve been able to find. But we hope to contextualize this material and also to reveal what is missing in Kurdish oral history.
As far as the effect our project may have, at best, it will provide fourth graders in Kurdistan with their own visual history. Today, they don’t know much about it. Many of them don’t know more than what their fathers have told them — if their fathers knew. In school curriculums — its very existence is generally denied.
… We’re dealing with a history that no single Kurd has ever lived. We want as much as we can to allow all of those Kurds in competing histories to be represented and to be revealed by representation. Do the Kurds connect to a sense of the history that we’ve been uncovering? The reality is that they must still be digging for their own, much more immediate history — which is tragic.
Meiselas recently (in 2009) had a show titled “In History.” My title for this post uses “making” rather than “in” because the latter assumes what I don’t think you can assume; that history is “out there” apart from our making of it. There are many other phrases with which I could quibble, for example, “I don’t have the right to decide this. Our project can only be based on what we’ve been able to find.” Who does have the right to decide? What project is ever based on anything beyond “what we’ve been able to find”? Which is not meant to say that I don’t admire Meiselas. She’s smart and honest and she’s trying to deal with these issues. Can’t ask for more than that.
For more about Meiselas, see Jim Johnson’s multiple blog postings about her, and the site for the Kurdish book, and her Magnum page, and her own web site.
-Julie

