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	<description>Are you sure it&#039;s not real? Could you please define &#039;real&#039;?</description>
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		<title>By: unrealnature</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/mindless/#comment-1701</link>
		<dc:creator>unrealnature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmmm ... pimentos. Though olive pimento bagels sound nasty. Too much pentimento for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmmm &#8230; pimentos. Though olive pimento bagels sound nasty. Too much pentimento for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. C.</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/mindless/#comment-1700</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, ha! But since they are &lt;i&gt;artistes&lt;/i&gt;, once the image has been created, it is always there. Of course the sardines are there as a sort of palimpsest thingy or, more accurately, but not exactly, a pentimento. (Which cascaded back to Lillian Hellman, &lt;i&gt;Julia&lt;/i&gt;, Dashiell Hammett, and on in a sort of memory pentimento which is different from photography until the advent of Photoshop but then, what would I know. For instance, my girl friend&#039;s girl friend was Lillian Hellman&#039;s companion in her dotage and, by report, Ms. Hellman was every bit as bitchy as advertised.)
(Footnote: Does not apply to the color &#039;orange.&#039;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, ha! But since they are <i>artistes</i>, once the image has been created, it is always there. Of course the sardines are there as a sort of palimpsest thingy or, more accurately, but not exactly, a pentimento. (Which cascaded back to Lillian Hellman, <i>Julia</i>, Dashiell Hammett, and on in a sort of memory pentimento which is different from photography until the advent of Photoshop but then, what would I know. For instance, my girl friend&#8217;s girl friend was Lillian Hellman&#8217;s companion in her dotage and, by report, Ms. Hellman was every bit as bitchy as advertised.)<br />
(Footnote: Does not apply to the color &#8216;orange.&#8217;)</p>
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		<title>By: unrealnature</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/mindless/#comment-1698</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Subtle phallic&quot; . . . I think I would recommend six months of torsion; oops, I meant to say &lt;a href=&quot;http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/traction/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;traction&lt;/a&gt;.

You do know what a fruit *is* don&#039;t you?

See if this doesn&#039;t help clear things up:

&lt;strong&gt;Why I Am Not a Painter&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;em&gt;by Frank O&#039;Hara&lt;/em&gt;

I am not a painter, I am a poet.
Why? I think I would rather be
a painter, but I am not. Well,

for instance, Mike Goldberg
is starting a painting. I drop in.
&quot;Sit down and have a drink&quot; he
says. I drink; we drink. I look
up. &quot;You have SARDINES in it.&quot;
&quot;Yes, it needed something there.&quot;
&quot;Oh.&quot; I go and the days go by
and I drop in again. The painting
is going on, and I go, and the days
go by. I drop in. The painting is 
finished. &quot;Where&#039;s SARDINES?&quot;
All that&#039;s left is just
letters, &quot;It was too much,&quot; Mike says.

But me? One day I am thinking of
a color: orange. I write a line
about orange. Pretty soon it is a 
whole page of words, not lines.
Then another page. There should be
so much more, not of orange, of
words, of how terrible orange is
and life. Days go by. It is even in
prose, I am a real poet. My poem
is finished and I haven&#039;t mentioned
orange yet. It&#039;s twelve poems, I call
it ORANGES. And one day in a gallery
I see Mike&#039;s painting, called SARDINES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Subtle phallic&#8221; . . . I think I would recommend six months of torsion; oops, I meant to say <a href="http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/traction/" rel="nofollow">traction</a>.</p>
<p>You do know what a fruit *is* don&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>See if this doesn&#8217;t help clear things up:</p>
<p><strong>Why I Am Not a Painter</strong><br />
<em>by Frank O&#8217;Hara</em></p>
<p>I am not a painter, I am a poet.<br />
Why? I think I would rather be<br />
a painter, but I am not. Well,</p>
<p>for instance, Mike Goldberg<br />
is starting a painting. I drop in.<br />
&#8220;Sit down and have a drink&#8221; he<br />
says. I drink; we drink. I look<br />
up. &#8220;You have SARDINES in it.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Yes, it needed something there.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Oh.&#8221; I go and the days go by<br />
and I drop in again. The painting<br />
is going on, and I go, and the days<br />
go by. I drop in. The painting is<br />
finished. &#8220;Where&#8217;s SARDINES?&#8221;<br />
All that&#8217;s left is just<br />
letters, &#8220;It was too much,&#8221; Mike says.</p>
<p>But me? One day I am thinking of<br />
a color: orange. I write a line<br />
about orange. Pretty soon it is a<br />
whole page of words, not lines.<br />
Then another page. There should be<br />
so much more, not of orange, of<br />
words, of how terrible orange is<br />
and life. Days go by. It is even in<br />
prose, I am a real poet. My poem<br />
is finished and I haven&#8217;t mentioned<br />
orange yet. It&#8217;s twelve poems, I call<br />
it ORANGES. And one day in a gallery<br />
I see Mike&#8217;s painting, called SARDINES.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. C.</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/mindless/#comment-1697</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you could consider still lifes (lives?) as having subtle messages such as phallic: &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.henri-fantin-latour.org/Still-Life,-Hyacinths-and-Fruit.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.henri-fantin-latour.org/Still-Life,-Hyacinths-and-Fruit.html&amp;usg=__AatequBSN1_ZWw8sXXNTfBjfO1Y=&amp;h=500&amp;w=395&amp;sz=36&amp;hl=en&amp;start=14&amp;um=1&amp;tbnid=Q-P6BbKy5_TtoM:&amp;tbnh=130&amp;tbnw=103&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstill%2Blife%2Bfruit%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;droopy&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.richclemart.com/images/studio%2520paintings/gallery%25201/fruit_still_life.gif&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.richclemart.com/gallery_studio.htm&amp;usg=___JRPGf9GRsEWnOasiyFhSaqbvrI=&amp;h=460&amp;w=576&amp;sz=158&amp;hl=en&amp;start=18&amp;um=1&amp;tbnid=H9rR8-AbbQ5CPM:&amp;tbnh=107&amp;tbnw=134&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstill%2Blife%2Bfruit%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bent&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l49/malerei/Still-Life-with-Khaki-Fruit.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://edwardbgordon.blogspot.com/2007/11/still-life-with-khaki-fruit.html&amp;usg=__vBz4BdjmiQE7ORe8A8EeQF-IytM=&amp;h=282&amp;w=283&amp;sz=36&amp;hl=en&amp;start=10&amp;um=1&amp;tbnid=JH1JWZCNIyffjM:&amp;tbnh=114&amp;tbnw=114&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstill%2Blife%2Bfruit%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;subtle&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heilmandesigns.com/Three-Fruit-Still-Life-9x12.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hung&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.davidpennastudios.com/StillLives/StillLife_Fruit.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.davidpennastudios.com/StillLives/StillLife_Fruit.html&amp;usg=__W2kZs4fhvtCo65QjByRAQHKbAj0=&amp;h=550&amp;w=419&amp;sz=72&amp;hl=en&amp;start=101&amp;um=1&amp;tbnid=N2q8LBdnvKghiM:&amp;tbnh=133&amp;tbnw=101&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstill%2Blife%2Bfruit%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DN%26start%3D100%26um%3D1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;alcoholic&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.peterdee.ie/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/french-wine-with-fruit-and-cheese1.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;and so forth.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you could consider still lifes (lives?) as having subtle messages such as phallic: <a href="http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.henri-fantin-latour.org/Still-Life,-Hyacinths-and-Fruit.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.henri-fantin-latour.org/Still-Life,-Hyacinths-and-Fruit.html&amp;usg=__AatequBSN1_ZWw8sXXNTfBjfO1Y=&amp;h=500&amp;w=395&amp;sz=36&amp;hl=en&amp;start=14&amp;um=1&amp;tbnid=Q-P6BbKy5_TtoM:&amp;tbnh=130&amp;tbnw=103&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstill%2Blife%2Bfruit%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1" rel="nofollow">droopy</a>, <a href="http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.richclemart.com/images/studio%2520paintings/gallery%25201/fruit_still_life.gif&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.richclemart.com/gallery_studio.htm&amp;usg=___JRPGf9GRsEWnOasiyFhSaqbvrI=&amp;h=460&amp;w=576&amp;sz=158&amp;hl=en&amp;start=18&amp;um=1&amp;tbnid=H9rR8-AbbQ5CPM:&amp;tbnh=107&amp;tbnw=134&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstill%2Blife%2Bfruit%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1" rel="nofollow">bent</a>, <a href="http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l49/malerei/Still-Life-with-Khaki-Fruit.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://edwardbgordon.blogspot.com/2007/11/still-life-with-khaki-fruit.html&amp;usg=__vBz4BdjmiQE7ORe8A8EeQF-IytM=&amp;h=282&amp;w=283&amp;sz=36&amp;hl=en&amp;start=10&amp;um=1&amp;tbnid=JH1JWZCNIyffjM:&amp;tbnh=114&amp;tbnw=114&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstill%2Blife%2Bfruit%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1" rel="nofollow">subtle</a>, <a href="http://www.heilmandesigns.com/Three-Fruit-Still-Life-9x12.jpg" rel="nofollow">hung</a>, <a href="http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.davidpennastudios.com/StillLives/StillLife_Fruit.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.davidpennastudios.com/StillLives/StillLife_Fruit.html&amp;usg=__W2kZs4fhvtCo65QjByRAQHKbAj0=&amp;h=550&amp;w=419&amp;sz=72&amp;hl=en&amp;start=101&amp;um=1&amp;tbnid=N2q8LBdnvKghiM:&amp;tbnh=133&amp;tbnw=101&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstill%2Blife%2Bfruit%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DN%26start%3D100%26um%3D1" rel="nofollow">alcoholic</a>, <a href="http://www.peterdee.ie/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/french-wine-with-fruit-and-cheese1.jpg" rel="nofollow">and so forth.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ray Girvan</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/mindless/#comment-1695</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Girvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As to the fruit, likewise. I&#039;ve just been looking at &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&amp;hs=iOV&amp;um=1&amp;sa=1&amp;q=still+life+fruit&amp;btnG=Search+images&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fruit still-lifes&lt;/A&gt;, and my first-pass reaction is definitely to assess the fruit&#039;s edibility. Considering the art comes later.

As to yer Madonner (as they say here) maybe such images are (consciously or unconsciously) contrived to foster the right attitude by switching off a sexual perception? Religious context apart, carting a baby about is a signal of unavailability due to an existing relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to the fruit, likewise. I&#8217;ve just been looking at <a HREF="http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&amp;hs=iOV&amp;um=1&amp;sa=1&amp;q=still+life+fruit&amp;btnG=Search+images&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=" rel="nofollow">fruit still-lifes</a>, and my first-pass reaction is definitely to assess the fruit&#8217;s edibility. Considering the art comes later.</p>
<p>As to yer Madonner (as they say here) maybe such images are (consciously or unconsciously) contrived to foster the right attitude by switching off a sexual perception? Religious context apart, carting a baby about is a signal of unavailability due to an existing relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: unrealnature</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/mindless/#comment-1692</link>
		<dc:creator>unrealnature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Garden would that be? 

And the picture of Felix dressed as a chicken made you think of ... ? ... chicken nuggets? ... grade A extra large?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Garden would that be? </p>
<p>And the picture of Felix dressed as a chicken made you think of &#8230; ? &#8230; chicken nuggets? &#8230; grade A extra large?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. C.</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/mindless/#comment-1691</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When you see a fruit still-life, a juicy snack is primarily you see?&quot;

But of course! Others, I surmise, focus on the little bugs introduced to show off the artist&#039;s skill in minutae. Or maybe they focus on other &lt;a href=&quot;http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/36/95736-004-01DB40CF.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;critters&lt;/a&gt; (lower right corner). And I suppose an apple could give me a fuzzy feeling about life in the The Garden before the temptress got hold it (the apple, I mean). 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telaviv-fever.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/madonna_l-735508.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Madonna&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When you see a fruit still-life, a juicy snack is primarily you see?&#8221;</p>
<p>But of course! Others, I surmise, focus on the little bugs introduced to show off the artist&#8217;s skill in minutae. Or maybe they focus on other <a href="http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/36/95736-004-01DB40CF.jpg" rel="nofollow">critters</a> (lower right corner). And I suppose an apple could give me a fuzzy feeling about life in the The Garden before the temptress got hold it (the apple, I mean). </p>
<p><a href="http://www.telaviv-fever.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/madonna_l-735508.jpg" rel="nofollow">Madonna</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: unrealnature</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/mindless/#comment-1690</link>
		<dc:creator>unrealnature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prospect-refuge is &lt;em&gt;primarily&lt;/em&gt; what you see? When you see animals in a picture, predator or prey is &lt;em&gt;primarily&lt;/em&gt; you see? When you see a fruit still-life, a juicy snack is &lt;em&gt;primarily&lt;/em&gt; you see? When you see a Madonna, a MILF is &lt;em&gt;primarily&lt;/em&gt; you see?

(She &lt;em&gt;intended&lt;/em&gt; to reference bad poetic metaphors; she&#039;s making a point about how common cultural abstractions are.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prospect-refuge is <em>primarily</em> what you see? When you see animals in a picture, predator or prey is <em>primarily</em> you see? When you see a fruit still-life, a juicy snack is <em>primarily</em> you see? When you see a Madonna, a MILF is <em>primarily</em> you see?</p>
<p>(She <em>intended</em> to reference bad poetic metaphors; she&#8217;s making a point about how common cultural abstractions are.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. C.</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/mindless/#comment-1688</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why I thought of Rod McKuen when I hit the bit about &quot;a proud stand of oaks or a sorrowing willow, a majestic mountain or a joyful brook.&quot; That&#039;s why I have one of those little bags they have in the pouch in front of you on an airplane when I read anything by him.

Would agree, have always agreed, with the prospect-refuge theory. It must be one of many primitive neuropsych structures, like music, that evolved to help us survive. In this case, survive boredom. Oooh La La do I sound like Jung or somebody?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why I thought of Rod McKuen when I hit the bit about &#8220;a proud stand of oaks or a sorrowing willow, a majestic mountain or a joyful brook.&#8221; That&#8217;s why I have one of those little bags they have in the pouch in front of you on an airplane when I read anything by him.</p>
<p>Would agree, have always agreed, with the prospect-refuge theory. It must be one of many primitive neuropsych structures, like music, that evolved to help us survive. In this case, survive boredom. Oooh La La do I sound like Jung or somebody?</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Girvan</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/mindless/#comment-1685</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Girvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It seems to me that the essay is stating the obvious&lt;/i&gt;

I agree, but - for me anyway - the process is nothing like their description of mapping landscape on to pathetic fallacy (of a sort that looks like the tritest of nature poetry). While I can&#039;t say I&#039;m consciously guided by it, prospect-refuge theory (see &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://segalbooks.blogspot.com/2008/07/landscapes-in-mind.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Landscapes in mind&lt;/A&gt;) is the best description I&#039;ve seen of my own approach to landscape photography, more to do with primitive reactions to landscape than with complex constructs like pride or majesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It seems to me that the essay is stating the obvious</i></p>
<p>I agree, but &#8211; for me anyway &#8211; the process is nothing like their description of mapping landscape on to pathetic fallacy (of a sort that looks like the tritest of nature poetry). While I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m consciously guided by it, prospect-refuge theory (see <a HREF="http://segalbooks.blogspot.com/2008/07/landscapes-in-mind.html" rel="nofollow">Landscapes in mind</a>) is the best description I&#8217;ve seen of my own approach to landscape photography, more to do with primitive reactions to landscape than with complex constructs like pride or majesty.</p>
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