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		<title>By: Felix Grant</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/portraiture-revelations-of-deep-inner-meaning/#comment-1349</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DrC&gt; They remembered that the pain ...
DrC&gt; would normally follow ... just
DrC&gt; had no emotional reaction to that
DrC&gt; knowledge. ... ... ...
DrC&gt; I think maybe I’ll take propranalol
DrC&gt; next time I go to the dentist.

Long, long ago, in a remote corner of Africa, there was a severe shortage of anaesthetics but a huge donated supply of outdated diazepam.

The doctors used massive doses of the diazepam instead of anaesthetics wherever possible; the patients were quiet and their eyes looked somewhat like CJ&#039;s portrait of you.

I was given one of these diazepam doses while they fished out bits of frag from a medically trivial wound, mopped up, and stitched me back together. It was a curious experience: the pain was not reduced at all, but it had sort of &quot;slipped sideways&quot; and seemed somehow not to be connected to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DrC&gt; They remembered that the pain &#8230;<br />
DrC&gt; would normally follow &#8230; just<br />
DrC&gt; had no emotional reaction to that<br />
DrC&gt; knowledge. &#8230; &#8230; &#8230;<br />
DrC&gt; I think maybe I’ll take propranalol<br />
DrC&gt; next time I go to the dentist.</p>
<p>Long, long ago, in a remote corner of Africa, there was a severe shortage of anaesthetics but a huge donated supply of outdated diazepam.</p>
<p>The doctors used massive doses of the diazepam instead of anaesthetics wherever possible; the patients were quiet and their eyes looked somewhat like CJ&#8217;s portrait of you.</p>
<p>I was given one of these diazepam doses while they fished out bits of frag from a medically trivial wound, mopped up, and stitched me back together. It was a curious experience: the pain was not reduced at all, but it had sort of &#8220;slipped sideways&#8221; and seemed somehow not to be connected to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. C.</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/portraiture-revelations-of-deep-inner-meaning/#comment-1347</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, true, true. Detoxification of bad memories does not necessarily remove them.

&quot;Even after they&#039;d been given propranolol, they still expected to receive a shock when they saw a picture of a spider - they just weren&#039;t afraid of the prospect.&quot;

But later:
&quot;However the volunteers still expected a shock when they saw the spidery images. They remembered that the pain of electricity would normally follow the sight of a spider - they just had no &lt;i&gt;emotional reaction to that knowledge.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; (itals in original)

I don&#039;t really understand this. I think maybe I&#039;ll take propranalol next time I go to the dentist. (Ever since I was once sitting in a dentist&#039;s waiting room and I heard this terrible drilling noise, I find a dentist&#039;s office particularly distasteful. Of course, the drilling was construction in the next office, but it didn&#039;t stop everyone in the waiting room from glancing at their neighbor in fright, expecting to hear the screams next.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, true, true. Detoxification of bad memories does not necessarily remove them.</p>
<p>&#8220;Even after they&#8217;d been given propranolol, they still expected to receive a shock when they saw a picture of a spider &#8211; they just weren&#8217;t afraid of the prospect.&#8221;</p>
<p>But later:<br />
&#8220;However the volunteers still expected a shock when they saw the spidery images. They remembered that the pain of electricity would normally follow the sight of a spider &#8211; they just had no <i>emotional reaction to that knowledge.</i>&#8221; (itals in original)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really understand this. I think maybe I&#8217;ll take propranalol next time I go to the dentist. (Ever since I was once sitting in a dentist&#8217;s waiting room and I heard this terrible drilling noise, I find a dentist&#8217;s office particularly distasteful. Of course, the drilling was construction in the next office, but it didn&#8217;t stop everyone in the waiting room from glancing at their neighbor in fright, expecting to hear the screams next.)</p>
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		<title>By: unrealnature</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/portraiture-revelations-of-deep-inner-meaning/#comment-1342</link>
		<dc:creator>unrealnature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray,

But &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holloway_Marston&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sadie was pretty cool&lt;/a&gt; (and born a Brit).

Dr C, 

Your linked article on propanalol says, it doesn&#039;t &lt;em&gt;remove&lt;/em&gt; memory, &quot;they just had no &lt;em&gt;emotional reaction to that knowledge&lt;/em&gt;.&quot; Felix ... star-spangled underwear ... Noooooooooooooooo....!

Felix,

...&quot;dedickification&quot; ... For some reason, one is reminded of barnacles ...

&quot;One removes its rope sandles.&quot;

Emergency! Emergency!! This is not a drill! Everybody evacuate the premises! Felix has removed his rope sandals! Run! Cover your eyes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray,</p>
<p>But <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holloway_Marston" rel="nofollow">Sadie was pretty cool</a> (and born a Brit).</p>
<p>Dr C, </p>
<p>Your linked article on propanalol says, it doesn&#8217;t <em>remove</em> memory, &#8220;they just had no <em>emotional reaction to that knowledge</em>.&#8221; Felix &#8230; star-spangled underwear &#8230; Noooooooooooooooo&#8230;.!</p>
<p>Felix,</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8221;dedickification&#8221; &#8230; For some reason, one is reminded of barnacles &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;One removes its rope sandles.&#8221;</p>
<p>Emergency! Emergency!! This is not a drill! Everybody evacuate the premises! Felix has removed his rope sandals! Run! Cover your eyes!</p>
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		<title>By: Felix Grant</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/portraiture-revelations-of-deep-inner-meaning/#comment-1341</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 07:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RG&gt; I used to enjoy Wonder Woman ... I
RG&gt; didn’t realise at the time the
RG&gt; subtext of its creator.

Never mind ... &quot;the author is dead&quot;! [1]

:-)

DrC&gt; O.K., O.K. propranalol not propanalol.

Ah ... that&#039;s the amnesifacience taken care of. Perhaps, in her reference to dedickification, our Dear Leader had propane or ethanol in mind?

JH&gt; You will remember ... I explained to
JH&gt; you what one does to a chicken before
JH&gt; one cooks it?

I do. Vividly. One &lt;i&gt;removes its rope sandles&lt;/i&gt;.

 ---

[1] Roland Barthes, &lt;i&gt;Aspen&lt;/i&gt;, 1967 [ &lt;- footnote for JH&#039;s delectation]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RG&gt; I used to enjoy Wonder Woman &#8230; I<br />
RG&gt; didn’t realise at the time the<br />
RG&gt; subtext of its creator.</p>
<p>Never mind &#8230; &#8220;the author is dead&#8221;! [1]</p>
<p>:-)</p>
<p>DrC&gt; O.K., O.K. propranalol not propanalol.</p>
<p>Ah &#8230; that&#8217;s the amnesifacience taken care of. Perhaps, in her reference to dedickification, our Dear Leader had propane or ethanol in mind?</p>
<p>JH&gt; You will remember &#8230; I explained to<br />
JH&gt; you what one does to a chicken before<br />
JH&gt; one cooks it?</p>
<p>I do. Vividly. One <i>removes its rope sandles</i>.</p>
<p> &#8212;</p>
<p>[1] Roland Barthes, <i>Aspen</i>, 1967 [ &lt;- footnote for JH's delectation]</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. C.</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/portraiture-revelations-of-deep-inner-meaning/#comment-1340</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 03:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O.K., O.K. &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/02/beta-blocker_drug_erases_the_emotion_of_fearful_memories.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;propranalol&lt;/a&gt; not propanalol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.K., O.K. <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/02/beta-blocker_drug_erases_the_emotion_of_fearful_memories.php" rel="nofollow">propranalol</a> not propanalol.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Girvan</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/portraiture-revelations-of-deep-inner-meaning/#comment-1338</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Girvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 23:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to enjoy &lt;i&gt;Wonder Woman&lt;/i&gt; for its cheerful naffness. But, lordy, I didn&#039;t realise at the time the &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Moulton_Marston&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;subtext of its creator&lt;/A&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to enjoy <i>Wonder Woman</i> for its cheerful naffness. But, lordy, I didn&#8217;t realise at the time the <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Moulton_Marston" rel="nofollow">subtext of its creator</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: unrealnature</title>
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		<dc:creator>unrealnature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 23:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Propanalol = propane and LOL (Land &#039;o Lakes butter). We&#039;re having a cookout. We&#039;re having chicken. You will remember, long ago, how &lt;a href=&quot;http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/mmmmm-vegetarians/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I explained to you&lt;/a&gt; what one does to a chicken before one cooks it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Propanalol = propane and LOL (Land &#8216;o Lakes butter). We&#8217;re having a cookout. We&#8217;re having chicken. You will remember, long ago, how <a href="http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/mmmmm-vegetarians/" rel="nofollow">I explained to you</a> what one does to a chicken before one cooks it?</p>
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		<title>By: Felix Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m unclear what the connection is between propanalol, amnesifacience and/or ... deknickification?

I&#039;m also unclear whether I really want to know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m unclear what the connection is between propanalol, amnesifacience and/or &#8230; deknickification?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also unclear whether I really want to know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: unrealnature</title>
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		<dc:creator>unrealnature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Reaches into his pharmaceuticals cupboard and grabs his propanalol lifesavers.&quot; -- &lt;em&gt;Dr. C&lt;/em&gt;

You are well prepared for removing knickers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Reaches into his pharmaceuticals cupboard and grabs his propanalol lifesavers.&#8221; &#8212; <em>Dr. C</em></p>
<p>You are well prepared for removing knickers.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. C.</title>
		<link>http://unrealnature.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/portraiture-revelations-of-deep-inner-meaning/#comment-1334</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Where’s the amygdala “forget it” button when I need it?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Reaches into his pharmaceuticals cupboard and grabs his propanalol lifesavers. &quot;Here, try one, you;ll like it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Where’s the amygdala “forget it” button when I need it?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Reaches into his pharmaceuticals cupboard and grabs his propanalol lifesavers. &#8220;Here, try one, you;ll like it.&#8221;</p>
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