There are parallel questions to ask about a poet’s use of ideas, and about how our critical judgment functions and malfunctions when those ideas fail or fail to match our own. … Can good poetry be written with bad ideas? Yes, obviously. But to what extent are fine qualities of the verse redemptive of the ideas? In ignoring the ideas and appreciating the rest, is one being discriminating or irresponsible? We let some poets get away with being shits—do we let others get away with being wrong?
That’s from an article called Bad Ideas by D.H. Tracy in the November 2006 issue of Poetry magazine. As usual, when I quote from articles about poetry, I hope that you will apply them to photography.
Tracy goes on to use a Yvor Winters 1947 essay about Hart Crane ”to find some terms for talking about poets’ relationships to ideas in general” and to look at questions about the presence or absence of “seriousness” in poetry.
“Serious,” in this sense, does not mean “somber,” “grave,” or “humorless.” It does not mean “conscientious in craft.” It does indicate an awareness of premises, a belief in the validity of those premises to the exclusion of competing ones, and the will to execute them. Gertrude Stein, even at her silliest, is serious. Dylan Thomas, even at his most sonorous, is not. Milton is serious, justifying the ways of God to man; Donne and Marvell, playing with ideas like brokers playing with pork bellies, are not. For now I do not attach any value to the term. (I think Winters would call seriousness a necessary condition of great poetry, but would say Crane’s tragic flaw was seriousness in the absence of critical awareness.) You might call serious poets bees and unserious ones butterflies. A poet’s relationship to ideas is charged by his or her seriousness, and hedged by the lack of it; it is analogous to reader-writer intimacy in the moral case. When a poet’s ideas fail, our judgment, when it exists, is likely to be severe in proportion to the poet’s seriousness about them. This is why Crane’s fall, if you recognize it as a fall, is so heartbreaking and so far.
… You might very well object that Winters’s response to Crane is just barking up the wrong tree, and that whether or not Emersonian romanticism is philosophically tenable is irrelevant to the poems’ quality. Cleanth Brooks:
“…one could say that a poem does not state ideas but rather tests ideas. Or, to put the matter in other terms, a poem does not deal primarily with ideas and events but rather with the way in which a human being may come to terms with ideas and events. All poems, therefore, including the most objective poems, turn out on careful inspection to be poems really “about” man himself. A poem, then, to sum up, is to be judged, not by the truth or falsity as such, of the idea which it incorporates, but rather by its character as drama—by its coherence, sensitivity, depth, richness, and tough-mindedness.”
… These two camps can be to some extent reconciled if we take Brooks’s statement to apply properly to unserious poems, which by nature treat ideas hypothetically if they treat them at all. If construed otherwise Brooks’s position tends to go down the rabbit hole when presented with a poem that has any polemic elements. Restricted to talking about sensitivity and richness, unseriousness has no language with which to answer (for example) partisan political statements, religious heresies, or philosophical contentions.
This piece really needs to be read in full to get the proper sense of it. Highly recommended. [ link ]
-Julie











